how do they go about enforcing the existing gun laws? >> well what they do is -- they've got this policy and jeff miller the former head of the pennsylvania state police head of security for the nfl, john rossi, his deputy. they go team to team city to city and they sit down and go over a number of security issues, but they cover this gun policy very carefully saying every law in every state is different. you can't go traveling around with it without understanding those laws. the key is this policy is very strict. it says nfl prohibitions a stadium, a facility owned or operated. that means stadiums locker rooms, hotels buses, planes. there's a strict prohibition on guns and the players are -- their cars are screened coming into stadiums for parking. so a violation of that means hitting them in the pocketbook. >> but the issue here is culture, is it not? >> well there's an argument that we've heard in the axelrod piece that it is culture. i think the nfl officials look at it from a more practical sense, which is you have a number of peopl